Back after a long break – with more markers

For some month I didn´t write anything on my blog. I had (and still have) lot of other stuff to do. However, I continue my search for new markers so during the past month I got a lot of nice up to date and vintage markers. I´ll describe each of them in the next time, if I´ll find an extra minute.

All the markers came from different sources, some via marker trading, others from an artist’s store I made a step into, and some from online stores (also it´s not my favorite way to get new markers, cause it´s not possible to find a mistake on the marker or some other argument to lower the price like I do it usually in a store…).

So here´s a picture of the markers to be described in detail further:

permanent markers

I also received comments or mails with questions, usually I activated the comments even if I didn´t answer your questions promptly. Sorry for that, I´ll try to catch up on your questions…

Vintage edding 400 markers

Found these vintage edding 400 markers at a flea market among some other stuff… None of the markers still works, but there is still a little bit of the nice old days odor left… Unlike the modern version of the edding 400, the markers have an aluminum tube. Like the other edding labeling from the 1970s and the early 1980s, the text was put into a box with a red outline.

edding 400 permanent markers

These ones are different stages of the edding 400. The first one (above): contemporary plastic construction. It can be unscrewed for refilling purposes. The green one is a mid-1980s example I got from an Iranian copy shop in Hamburg ten years ago. It still works. And the last one is one of the vintage edding 400 markers I got from the flea market. Note the edding wordmark on the caps of the green and blue one.

edding 400 permanent markers

The Pentel Pen

Today I received two boxes with vintage Pentel N 50 Markers or Pentel Pens, as the Pentel company named these markers. I got my oldest Pentel N 50 markers in 1990 in some stationery in Italy, so I guess these ones may be from an earlier stage. Early or mid-1980´s, maybe 1970´s. the first feature is the flat base, unlike the other Pentel Pens I know. Both the 1990s version and the contemporary Pentel Pen have a taper at the marker´s base to put the marker´s cap there during use. These ones don´t. Also the cap looks different, the caps looks all alike, in a warm gray or beige, can´t tell you exactly… The font used for the label is also different from the common “Pentel” font design of the 1980s and 1990s Pentel markers I know.

pentel pen n 50 permanent markers

Stylish vintage box with a writing hand on it…

pentel pen n50

Vintage Pentel N50 Pens

pentel pen n50

Pentel Pen N50: vintage and the 1990s version.

 pentel pen n50 permanent markers

A close look on the cap…

pentel pen permanent marker blue

Looks unused, but dried out… need some toluene for that thing.

The Pentel markers came in two cardboard boxes which could be used to display the markers in a shop and – sorry, my English knowledge ends here (I´m even not sure how to describe that in German in a few words… check the photos…).On the boxes it reads “Available in Black-Red-Blue”. However, I received brown, purple and a yellow one as well…

pentel pen n50 permanent markers

The Pentel box…

pentel pen n 50 permanent markers box

… side view.

Only a few of these markers still works, the other ones are dried out or semi-dried out, although they were well capped and seems to be unused. But that´s not important and all together, it´s a nice find!

edding No.1 – The original one

Two weeks ago found a real rarity from the 1960´s: The 60´s version of an edding No.1 marker and a bottle refill ink, also from the 1960´s. These two items are for sure the oldest marker stuff I ever got. Unlike the later edding refill ink bottles, this one is made of glass and has a pipette to drop the ink inside the marker. The package bears the term “Schnellschreiber” in a handwriting style; this was the early notation the edding company used for their permanent markers in the 1960´and 1970´s. It´s labeled in German only and the instructions of use are printed on the back of the package.

edding no.1 vintage marker and refill ink

edding refill ink 1960´s vintage

edding refill ink 1960´s

edding refill ink 1960´s how to use

edding refill ink

edding refill ink

This early version of the edding No.1 permanent marker has a unique and pretty stylish product design, it reminds a little bit on a rocket or something with its aero dynamic looking cap. The label sticker is the same like the label of the semi old edding No.1 marker that was produced until 1990, but the blue color of the cap is more light than that of the later vintage version. It´s definitely one of the best catches I´ve made in the last month.

edding No.1 permanent marker vintage 1960´s
edding No.1 permanent markers

Marker Trade

Already over a month ago I traded some markers with another marker collector, who runs a great blog about black markers and design (the B.I.Blog). So two bunches of markers did their way around the globe and each of one finally reached its destination. I think each of us got markers we wouldn’t have found around the corner. The guy send me great and hard to get pieces in return, among them vintage Sanfords, Redimark markers and some others. Thanks!

Sanford Permanent Markers
Artline Poster Markers Jiffy Markers
Marks-A-Lot Permanent Markers

I got some more than these ones; but from these I already took pics and I´m kind of busy at the moment…

Painting with Posca Markers

There are a lot of opportunities of what to do with markers beside tagging up or illustration. Especially water-based pigment ink markers like the Artline Poster Markers and the Uni Posca Markers are tools of choice of some great artists.
I found two nice videos featuring the British artist Jon Burgerman in action with Posca Markers. Great work!

Graffiti History and Vintage Markers

A friend called my attention on this nice Poster of Roger Gastman´s documentary “Wall Writers. Graffiti in its Innocence” with a row of vintage markers… I haven´t seen some of them before, I´ll add them on my wish list. The documentary, for sure a must seen movie for those interested in graffiti history – is about tagging and getting up in the late 1960´s/early 1970´s in NYC. I can´t wait to watch it.

If you are more interested in the movie itself than in the vintage markers on the poster, you may watch the trailer below and check this worth reading interview with Roger Gastman about his documentary.

WALL WRITERS Promo Video from R. Rock Enterprises on Vimeo.

The “Marker Loan”

A good friend gave me recently three of his markers for that project we already did the photo shooting for… Two of them were unknown for me before: the Pelikan Plaka Pen and the Micro Marker. The third is a Meto Poster Pen. The Pelikan Plaka Pen seems to be from the 1980´s since it was produced in West-Germany (before the reunification of the former two German states). However, it´s free from xylene and toluene.

The Micro Marker, made in Korea, is somewhat extremly used and covered with ink stains, I can´t read much of the label.

The Meto Poster Pen is a typical water-based pigment ink marker. I don´t know were to get this markers from (I mean a single marker, not a whole pack of 10 or 12…), and this one I´ll give back with the other ones after the photo project.

Pelikan Plaka Marker Meto Poster Pen

Pilot Super Color Paint Marker

I found another marker in a stationery: a Pilot Super Color Paint Marker. It has the older Pilot label on it and contains xylene or toluene as solvent. Maybe it´s a 1980´s marker, don´t know. According to the shopkeeper it has remained for years and he added that they discontinued the distribution of Pilot markers long ago. He gave it away for only one Euro – thanks!

Pilot Paint Marker Super Color

Marker Rendering in Old Times

I like the hand-made style of old time marker renderings. Okay, although today the first sketches often are done with markers, not with the old, nice smelling ones… But I know designers who use mainly computer programs for sketching. Here are some good examples of marker rendering back in the days… Two automotive renderings and an interior design for a gentlemen´s smoking room. The scans are from the book “Advanced Marker Techniques” by Dick Powell and Patricia Monahan (1987); pp. 54-57, 116-119 and page 135.

Automotive Rendering I: The Red Car




Automotive Rendering II: Off the Road




Interior Design – A Gentleman´s Smoking Room

The Snowman

I had some free time yesterday and I enjoyed the beautiful sunshine somewhere in Berlin. On my way back home I stopped into a store specialized on decoration and costume stuff. They had a lot of fancy dressing stuff and a small Snowman´s permanent markers box on the counter with Snowman Permanent Markers in all sizes. They were astonishingly very cheap and I got two.

Snowman Permanent Markers

Faber-Castell Penol Marker 150

Outside the deco-store I had to wait for the bus, so I stepped into a tobacco shop for a minute and found another vintage looking marker. It´s dried out and the guy in the store gives it away for free. The German market for permanent markers is dominated by the edding brand, so it´s always surprising to find different brands from abroad or from the past…

Faber-Castell

I don´t have much information about the Snowman yet; also the Faber-Castell Broadline Permanent Marker 150 isn´t mentioned on the company´s homepage. But anyway, both of the Snowmans and the Faber-Castell Marker 150 are vintage looking in some way, solid aluminum barrel construction; the Faber-Castell is also toluene/xylene-based… love the smell!

Photo shooting I

One week ago a good friend, professional photographer and former graffiti artist Timo Stammberger and I did a Photo session with a bunch of stylish markers. It´s for a project we are thinking about and respectively working on. After one or two beer and inhaling vintage markers vapors, we got some great pictures…

I´ll post some of the photos, this is part I: The Faber-Castell Marker22 Filzschreiber, the Artline Poster Marker 20mm, the Artline Popmate 30mm Marker, the Uni Paint PX-30 Marker and the Marvy Marker 9000 Jumbo-Size.

artline popmate marker marvy marker 9000 jumbo uni paint marker
artline poster marker 20mm faber-castell filzschreiber marker22

The Giant Markers Set

Recently I got this nice marking tool. It´s not a permanent marker in the narrow sense, but rather a giant marker set. It consists of a plastic pot with three round wadding layers, a cover and four felt holders. To use the marker set, the inside wadding must be soaked with marking ink. The felt nip holders were put headfirst through openings in the cover onto the wadding to absorb the ink. It works like an ordinary permanent marker with cellulose wadding inside the markers barrel, just vice versa.

However, the whole thing isn´t airtight. Would be interesting what kind of ink one should use for it. There is no brand name on the box, but I think it´s the “METO Jet 4000 Schreibgerät”. According to the company´s homepage they use solvent-based dye type ink.

These kind of markers are used mainly in supermarkets or other kinds of stores to write large posters and price tags. It seems to be more common outside Germany to use hand written posters. I remember that the price tags in a Spanish supermarket I had once been were all written by hand, in four or five different colors. Looks more warm and closer to the people, unlike these printed stuff that only seems to be hand written.

The four markers are 53x29mm, 37x17mm, 23x15mm and 11x9mm wide.

I don´t have any use for it, but it´s just nice to have one of these things…

Meto Jet 4000 Marker Set_1Meto Jet 4000 marker set Meto Jet 4000 marker set

How to refresh old or dried out markers

Refreshing old or dried out markers is a good way to save money. Take layout markers for instance. In most cases, they are very expensive and even the refill ink, if there is any to get, is often damn expensive. So if you have a bunch of dried out markers or you´ve left a marker uncapped for a while, the following tips may help you. Make your old and/or dry markers easily work again.

If your markers are just empty and you don´t have a refill ink or there´s no refill ink available for that kind of markers you use, you can also just “refresh” them. In that case, that willl lighten the color compared to its original tone. If you got more than one marker of the same color, you can easily create nuances of the same color. I´ve made several experiences with refreshing markers and in most of the cases it worked. But I won´t guarantee 100% success since there are too much different brands, inks and so on.

edding permanent marker refill ink t 25

First, make sure to get the adequate solvent fluid for the type of marker you want to refresh. Both layout markers and permanent markers are either based on a solvent like toluene and xylene (especially the old ones, like the old letraset pantone markers and some of the AD Chartpak markers) or alcohol. For markers with solvent-based ink you´ll need a solvent like toluene or xylene; for alcohol-based ink you´ll need alcohol. I started refreshing my old layout markers when I discovered that the original refill ink, or more correct the refill ink in its former solvent-based formula, wasn´t available any more. Since the early 1990s, harmful solvents based on toluene/xylene weren´t used any more for marker inks. The formula switched to alcohol based ink. Well, that’s nice, but I made the experience, that the “new” alcohol based ink doesn´t fit in most cases with the “old” solvent-based ink. Some brands offer a thinner for their marker inks and one my find special solvent-based marker ink thinner somewhere left over. So, first, make sure to get the adequate solvent. Ordinary paint thinner that is available in every hardware store contains in most cases toluene and xylene. However, often some paraffin derived additives like white spirit are in it and that may – that’s my experience – being incompatible with the marker ink in the marker. And don´t use turpentine or acetone, the latter make some inks agglutinate, turpentine may hamper the ink to dry completely (it´s a cleaning tool for paint brushes or a thinner for oil-painting, not for permanent marker inks or layout marker inks). And, never use water for refreshing solvent-based markers, that won´t work.

Pure Toluene from a pharmacy

1.)    Solvent-based markers

Try to get toluene or xylene in it´s pure form. In Germany, most pharmacies have these two substances. But be careful! Toluene and xylene are highly harmful! For that reason they may ask you for what do you need it. Whenever I explained them the purpose, they gave it away in small amounts for cheap, sometimes even for free. Ask them for a medicine dropper (it must be glass or a solvent resistant material). Well, if you got the stuff, do use it only – and I mean ONLY – in a well ventilated area. If you could unscrew the marker you like to refresh – fine. If not, you have to be a little bit more careful. Avoid contact with your skin since the solvent dries the skin. You may use rubber gloves (also to keep the ink off your hands) . And make sure to keep the solvent far away from children!

Medicine dropper

Okay, in the unscrewed marker, drop the solvent several times onto the wool-filling inside the marker. The ink color will immediately fade. Don´t overfill the marker! It´s better to repeat that step than to overfill the marker and risk a mess. It depends on the dimension of the marker how many solvent you´ll need, try two to three drops first. Screw and close the marker. Store the marker vertically with nib/cap up. Wait a while. Then store the marker upside down, also for a good while. It may take some time until the dried marker ink and the solvent mixes in a matter, that the color doesn’t look faded. If you store the marker upside down, it´s good to put them in a glass jar or on tissue for if you put too much solvent inside the marker, ink may flow out – so don´t overfill!) If you can´t unscrew the marker, remove the nip carefully, put it aside and drop the solvent through the opening into the barrel. Also, be careful not to overfill. Take care when replacing the nib, the ink/solvent may spurt out – replace it slowly. Follow the same steps as with an unscrewable marker.

2.)    Alcohol-based markers

If your markers are alcohol based make sure to get pure alcohol like isopropyl alcohol. You may also use rubbing alcohol for cleaning, but it often contains a small amount of water. However, for refreshing the marker there won’t be a difference, but if you work on paper, the paper maybe will wave a little bit according to the water. The water may also cause the marker ink not to dry completely if applied on other materials than paper, like plastic or metal – so far my experience. Some brands like copic have a special thinner. It´s isopropyl and you may use that for all kinds of alcohol based ink. Follow the steps from 1.).

This works only with permanent and layout markers. I never was successful to refresh paint markers or gouache markers (markers with a water-based pigment ink, like the Artline Poster Markers). Once, the paint or gouache is dry, there isn´t much to do as far as I know.

A last advice: avoid mixing alcohol-based ink and solvent-based ink or filling alcohol into solvent-based markers and vice versa. This may lead to a chemical reaction that will cause aluminum barrels to corrode. In the below picture you can see what I mean… I refilled an old edding 500 solvent-based marker with the alcohol-based edding refill ink of today, and some weeks later, it started to corrode…

edding 500 permanent marker

Corrosion on an edding 500 marker

Vintage Markers I: “edding extrabreit”

Extrabreit: Until the early 1990s the term “extrabreit”, or “superbroad” in English, was an additional labeling of the edding 850 due to the fact that the edding 850 was then – and still is -  the widest marker available on the regular market (of course one can find today every type of huge tagmarkers in graffiti stores…).

The edding 800 “extrabreit”: Some weeks ago I found a bunch of vintage edding 800 markers in a sellout, which seems to be much older than the edding 800 markers I already have in my collection. To my surprise these edding 800 markers were also labeled “extrabreit” and even the rest of the labeling was the same like on the old edding 850. It may be that when these edding 800 extrabreit markers were sold in the 1970s, these ones were the widest markers on the market. After the edding 850 was launched, they simply put the labeling on the new wider marker. Doesn´t make much sense to label two different markers the same way. The other vintage edding 800 markers bear the text “in 10 farben”/”in 10 colours” instead of “extrabreit”. Also the other labeling changed a little…

edding 850_800 extrabreit deedding 850_800 superbroad enedding 800 extrabeit in 10 farben deedding 800 superbroad in 10 colours

However, either the edding 850 extrabreit or the edding 800 extrabreit inspired a German band to adopt the name “Extrabreit” in 1978. I don´t know if they choose this name for this reason, but “breit” is a synonym for “to be drunk” in German… so you can guess what “extrabreit” may mean.

Missing Colors

It started with the four colors black, red, blue and green in the late 1960s. Soon after, the edding 8oo was already available in ten colors. From this on, the edding 800 came in black, red, blue, green, yellow, orange, brown, purple, pink and light blue for decades. Recently, I learned to my surprise that the last three colors – purple, pink and light blue – has been discontinued already some years ago and the color range of the edding 800 has shrunk from ten to seven colors. I wonder why just the last three colors… does that mean that yellow or brown edding 800 markers are more popular among the costumers?

edding 800 permanent markers pink purple paleblue

edding 800 markers in pink, purple and pale blue

Possession of permanent marker on private property – 13 year old boy arrested

Recently I read an unbelievable article – in particular for Europeans. A 13 year old boy was arrested for possessing a permanent marker in school in Oklahoma City. What happened? According to the article, the boy was writing on a sheet of paper with a Sharpie marker. The marker writing bleed through the paper onto the desk (well, that could happen…). His teacher spotted the scene and after the boy rejected to hand over his marker he got arrested.

What´s going on there? Don´t they have real problems over there? I mean, mankind has a bunch of serious problems – war, famine, oppression, murder… but some people make problems where no problems are. Won´t imagine what would happen to that boy if he had one of the markers we used to possess with 13 – and we didn´t write just on a sheet of paper.

For the full article, click here

Some History about Markers

magic marker

Cut-away view of a magic marker | Schnitt durch einen Magic Marker (Monahan, P; Powell, D.: Advanced Marker Techniques. Mcdonald & Co Publishers Ltd. 1987, p. 14)

Permanent markers belong to over half a century to the daily lives of many people. Whether in the office, at school, in warehouses or used by graffiti writers, permanent markers are now an indispensable part of everyday life. The common name for a permanent marker in Germany is edding, according to the famous German manufacturer of writing products of all kinds. However, many people just call them felt pen when speaking of permanent markers.

The history of permanent markers dates back to 1910. At that time, Lee W. Newman patented the first marking pen; the first modern permanent marker should have been the Magic Marker, which was developed in 1952 by Sidney Rosenthal. According to other sources, the first marker was developed in the early 1960s in Japan and was initially made of bamboo and a piece of felt (see Monahan, P, Powell, D.: Advanced Marker Techniques Mcdonald & Co Publishers Ltd. 1987). The first commercial permanent marker – like the classic example of the Magic Marker – consisted of a small glass bottle with an upper part that held the felt nib. They were marketed in the 1960s. Later the body of the markers was also made of aluminum and plastic. The Magic Marker became popular for illustration in art studios and advertising agencies. The classic “glass bottle”- Magic Marker was, similar to other ones like the Letraset Pantone Marker (Letraset Tria Marker), the Chartpak AD Marker or the modern day Copic Marker range designed as a layout marker.

A typical permanent marker consists of a container (either glass, aluminum or plastic), which is filled with felt or some sort of wadding. This filling serves as a carrier for the water-proof ink. The upper part of the marker contains the nib that was made in earlier time of a hard felt material, and a cap to prevent the marker from drying out. Until the early 1990s the most common solvents that were used for the ink were Toluene and Xylene. These two substances are both harmful and characterized by a very strong smell. Today, the ink is usually made on the basis of alcohols (eg 1-propanol, 1-butanol, diacetone alcohol and cresols).

Artline Popmate Marker detail

Unscrewed top of a marker and wadding inside the markers barrel

poster marker artline

Example of a Paint/Gouache Marker: Parts of an Artline Poster Marker

Parts of the valve

Artline Poster Marker

In addition to the classic permanent marker there are also paint markers with a paint-like opaque ink, which could be also be water-based (Gouache or Tempera). Unlike the classic permanent markers the ink isn´t absorbed by wadding, it´s free flowing inside the marker. The ink flow is controlled via valve action. A paint marker contains in addition a tiny ball (either glass or metal) that mixes the paint when shaking the marker.

Permanent Marker gehören seit über einem halben Jahrhundert zum täglichen Leben zahlreicher Menschen dazu. Egal ob im Büro, in der Schule, in Lagern und Versandhäusern oder bei Graffiti-Writern, Permanent Marker sind heutzutage nicht mehr aus dem Alltag wegzudenken. Die gängige Bezeichnung in Deutschland lautet nach dem gleichnamigen Hersteller von Schreibprodukten aller Art edding, wobei viele Leute einfach Filzer oder Filzstift sagen, wenn sie von Permanent Markern sprechen. Letztere Begriffe bezeichnen jedoch meist Fasermaler für Kinder.

Die Geschichte des Permanent Markers reicht zurück in das Jahr 1910. Damals patentierte Lee W. Newman den ersten Marking Pen. Der erste moderne Permanent Marker soll der Magic Marker gewesen sein, der 1952 von Sidney Rosenthal entwickelt wurde. Anderen Quellen zufolge wurden die ersten Marker Anfang der 1960er Jahre in Japan entwickelt und bestanden anfangs aus Bambus und einem Stück Filz (siehe Monahan, P; Powell, D.: Advanced Marker Techniques. Mcdonald & Co Publishers Ltd. 1987). Die ersten kommerziellen Permanent Marker – klassisches Beispiel ist der Magic Marker – bestanden aus einem Glasfläschchen, dass oben mit einem Aufsatz versehen war, der den Schreibfilz hielt. Sie wurden ab den 1960er Jahren vermarktet. Später wurde das Gehäuse der Marker auch aus Aluminium und Kunststoff hergestellt.

Ein typischer Permanent Marker besteht aus einem Behältnis (entweder aus Glas, Aluminium oder Kunststoff), das mit Filz oder einer Art Watte gefüllt ist. Diese Füllung dient als Träger für die wasserfeste Tinte. Das Oberteil des Marker enthält den Schreibfilz, der früher tatsächlich aus einem harten Filzmaterial bestand, und einer Kappe, die das Austrocknen des Markers verhindern soll. Bis in die frühen 1990er Jahre waren die gängigsten Lösungsmittel, die für die Tinte von Permanent Markern verwendet wurden, Toluol und Xylol. Diese beiden Stoffe sind sowohl gesundheitsschädlich, als auch durch einen sehr charakteristischen intensiven Geruch gekennzeichnet. Heute wird die Tinte von Permanent Markern meist auf Basis von Alkoholen (z.B. 1-Propanol, 1-Butanol, Diacetonalkohol und Kresole) hergestellt. Neben den klassischen Permanent Markern gibt es auch sogenannte Paintmarker bzw. Lackmalstifte mit einer lackartig deckenden Tusche, die teilweise auf Wasserbasis hergestellt wird (Gouache oder Tempera).